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Kagi founder here. Orion isn't open source yet primarily because we're a 5-person team that spent 6+ years building this and created significant IP doing so, and we're not in a position to defend our work against a well-funded company using it as a base (we care very much about the business model of the browser surviving). Restrictive licenses help in theory but enforcing them against a company with a larger legal budget doesn't.
We also see limited upside from community contributions - the number of people who can meaningfully work on a WebKit browser is small (from our experience hiring), and most of them already work at Apple or Kagi. Meanwhile, managing an open source codebase of this size would add real strain to our small team.
The plan is however to open source when Orion is self-sufficient (business model of Orion is you are the customer and can pay for it - like we used to pay for browsers 20 years ago before advertisers started paying for our browsing), meaning it can sustain its own development independent of Kagi Search. I want to take the opportunity to thank all people who supported the Orion browser vision [1]. We're not there yet but recent 1.0 launch and expanding to Linux are steps in that direction. And on Jan 1st this year we began development of Orion for Windows (HN exclusive yay!).
I understand this is unsatisfying to people who want source access now. It's a tradeoff we've made deliberately, not something we're hiding behind.
[1] https://kagi.com/stats?sub_stats=orion
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Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux
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Kagi founder here. Orion isn't open source yet primarily because we're a 5-person team that spent 6+ years building this and created significant IP doing so, and we're not in a position to defend our work against a well-funded company using it as a base (we care very much about the business model of the browser surviving). Restrictive licenses help in theory but enforcing them against a company with a larger legal budget doesn't.
We also see limited upside from community contributions - the number of people who can meaningfully work on a WebKit browser is small (from our experience hiring), and most of them already work at Apple or Kagi. Meanwhile, managing an open source codebase of this size would add real strain to our small team.
The plan is however to open source when Orion is self-sufficient (business model of Orion is you are the customer and can pay for it - like we used to pay for browsers 20 years ago before advertisers started paying for our browsing), meaning it can sustain its own development independent of Kagi Search. I want to take the opportunity to thank all people who supported the Orion browser vision [1]. We're not there yet but recent 1.0 launch and expanding to Linux are steps in that direction. And on Jan 1st this year we began development of Orion for Windows (HN exclusive yay!).
I understand this is unsatisfying to people who want source access now. It's a tradeoff we've made deliberately, not something we're hiding behind.
[1] https://kagi.com/stats?sub_stats=orion
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Kagi releases alpha version of Orion for Linux
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#吐槽
nostr.band is back online now, SSL certificate has been renewed.
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nostr.band is back online now, SSL certificate has been renewed.
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#吐槽
In reply to nevent1q…7pt5
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一边赌你不会有那么多无法去重的数据能传得上来更不会每个都下一遍, 另一边只能赌它真存个 5PB 再跑它 5PB 流量也不会来找茬.
十分特色的网盘商业化, 它是真的想复刻 115 啊.
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一边赌你不会有那么多无法去重的数据能传得上来更不会每个都下一遍, 另一边只能赌它真存个 5PB 再跑它 5PB 流量也不会来找茬.
十分特色的网盘商业化, 它是真的想复刻 115 啊.
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#123云盘 全新的超级加倍对赌协议, 比长期VIP更上一层楼
关于招募无限容量VIP服务内测志愿者的公告
https://www.123pan.com/Notice/130
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#吐槽
In reply to nevent1q…ayp6
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Anthropic thinks you're a communist.
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Anthropic thinks you're a communist.
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#吐槽
In reply to nevent1q…mnpw
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Go 写的 pyramid 要改点什么用 AI 还算容易, C++ 写的 strfry 就相对比较麻烦了 :huaji:
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In reply to nevent1q…mnpw
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Go 写的 pyramid 要改点什么用 AI 还算容易, C++ 写的 strfry 就相对比较麻烦了 :huaji:
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#吐槽
In reply to nevent1q…dmag
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apsauce.net
applesauce.co
apsa.dev
apsr.dev
apsrc.dev
or add some prefixes:
getapplesauce.com
getapplesauce.net
getapplesauce.org
getapplesauce.dev
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#吐槽
In reply to nevent1q…6xyz
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我这编码 level 最多只能硬编码进去, 要灵活切换这种程度还是太难了, 只能等您来实现了 :thumb_man:
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我这编码 level 最多只能硬编码进去, 要灵活切换这种程度还是太难了, 只能等您来实现了 :thumb_man:
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#吐槽
In reply to nevent1q…5q9g
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我想起之前买台灯买了个宜家的, 用了几年也还不错. 后来打算买个书桌, 才知道宜家居然还有蜂窝纸板封装的桌板卖, 好多人是买别家的桌板然后买宜家的桌腿组合用.
喜欢选宜家的人也并不一定都是为了所谓质量, 而是家居选品本就是个天坑, 决策成本和沉没成本都非常高. 买它, 就和买小米米家的东西差不多, 不会特别好, 但也不会烂到没法用, 设计不会非常顶尖, 但也不会难看到人拍照都要刻意躲开它.
不过我也没法排除有人就是奔着这个瑞典品牌去消费的, 纯正的北欧血脉, 以及纯正的北欧新现代主义设计, 国内应该也仅此一家.
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我想起之前买台灯买了个宜家的, 用了几年也还不错. 后来打算买个书桌, 才知道宜家居然还有蜂窝纸板封装的桌板卖, 好多人是买别家的桌板然后买宜家的桌腿组合用.
喜欢选宜家的人也并不一定都是为了所谓质量, 而是家居选品本就是个天坑, 决策成本和沉没成本都非常高. 买它, 就和买小米米家的东西差不多, 不会特别好, 但也不会烂到没法用, 设计不会非常顶尖, 但也不会难看到人拍照都要刻意躲开它.
不过我也没法排除有人就是奔着这个瑞典品牌去消费的, 纯正的北欧血脉, 以及纯正的北欧新现代主义设计, 国内应该也仅此一家.
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#吐槽
In reply to nevent1q…rz6y
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:huaji: 支持一下环境变量配置首页默认显示中继组就行了. 最近一个版本 nostr.moe 用 cherry-pick 更出问题来 :minecraft_flame: , 力竭了, 等过几个星期才能慢慢修.
其他方面就自定义配色和图标(社区品牌化).
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In reply to nevent1q…rz6y
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:huaji: 支持一下环境变量配置首页默认显示中继组就行了. 最近一个版本 nostr.moe 用 cherry-pick 更出问题来 :minecraft_flame: , 力竭了, 等过几个星期才能慢慢修.
其他方面就自定义配色和图标(社区品牌化).
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#吐槽
神说, 我要开始爱人了
人说, 我要开始弑神了
「声称爱人的角色
一问他人的定义,
二问他爱的定义,
三问他爱人的定义,
四问他爱人的方法,
五问想达成的爱的结果。
只要其中一个回答出问题立刻拉警报。
哲学的重要性突然就体现出来了,不然都是人间炼狱。」
挽昼女士的恩情!爱人!2.5地图暗线文本梳理【绝区零】 UP主: 骚橙丶 - https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1e6vdBKEnL
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神说, 我要开始爱人了
人说, 我要开始弑神了
「声称爱人的角色
一问他人的定义,
二问他爱的定义,
三问他爱人的定义,
四问他爱人的方法,
五问想达成的爱的结果。
只要其中一个回答出问题立刻拉警报。
哲学的重要性突然就体现出来了,不然都是人间炼狱。」
挽昼女士的恩情!爱人!2.5地图暗线文本梳理【绝区零】 UP主: 骚橙丶 - https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1e6vdBKEnL
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#吐槽
In reply to nevent1q…yvs0
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不过好多客户端都还在不会算 PoW, 比如 Amethyst.
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In reply to nevent1q…yvs0
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不过好多客户端都还在不会算 PoW, 比如 Amethyst.
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